Caitlin Clark offerd $5m by Ice Cube to play in Big 3 (2024)

Post: #1

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-bask...ffer-clark

check out this comparison to a WNBA salary:

WNBA rookie salaries for lottery draft picks (Nos. 1-4) in 2024 are $76,535 and climb to $97,582 by their fourth season.

The article spends some time talking about whether participating in the Big3 will impact her eligibility for the WNBA. However, my question would be "who cares". She wouldn't make anywhere close to $5m even if she plays in the WNBA for 20 years.

I guess we'll find out if she can compete against boys...

Post: #2

Post: #3

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Post: #4

WNBA inked a new TV deal with Ion last year. We have a thread on it.

Elsewhere I have read that Ion is the third most popular network among female viewers.

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/wnba-sc...235589597/

Post: #5

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

I’d be interested in seeing the terms of the deal. Is it 1 year? 10? Can she also play in the WNBA?

From looking at the Big 3 rules, a deadly long range shooter has outsize value. They have a 4 point shot, but it’s from 30 ft out. Free throws can also be taken for more points at a greater distance. Games are half court and are very quick, increasing her odds of not getting murdered by some of those former NBA players. At the very least, she could camp at the 4 pt line and force the defense to keep 1 guy blanketing her, opening up her teammates for a 2on2 game.

Man, imagine Steph Curry in that league. He might dominate that into his 50s if he chooses to play when his NBA days are done.

This is a very savvy move by Ice Cube. Nobody cared about Big 3 basketball yesterday. Maybe Clark never plays a minute, maybe she does and gets overwhelmed, but, at least for today, people are talking about the league.

(This post was last modified: 03-27-2024 08:58 PM by bryanw1995.)

Post: #6

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

I’d be interested in seeing the terms of the deal. Is it 1 year? 10? Can she also play in the WNBA?

From looking at the Big 3 rules, a deadly long range shooter has outsize value. They have a 4 point shot, but it’s from 30 ft out. Free throws can also be taken for more points at a greater distance. Games are half court and are very quick, increasing her odds of not getting murdered by some of those former NBA players. At the very least, she could camp at the 4 pt line and force the defense to keep 1 guy blanketing her, opening up her teammates for a 2on2 game.

Man, imagine Steph Curry in that league. He might dominate that into his 50s if he chooses to play when his NBA days are done.

This is a very savvy move by Ice Cube. Nobody cared about Big 3 basketball yesterday. Maybe Clark never plays a minute, maybe she does and gets overwhelmed, but, at least for today, people are talking about the league.

I'd never heard of Big 3 basketball. Still not sure what it is.

Post: #7

(03-28-2024 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

I’d be interested in seeing the terms of the deal. Is it 1 year? 10? Can she also play in the WNBA?

From looking at the Big 3 rules, a deadly long range shooter has outsize value. They have a 4 point shot, but it’s from 30 ft out. Free throws can also be taken for more points at a greater distance. Games are half court and are very quick, increasing her odds of not getting murdered by some of those former NBA players. At the very least, she could camp at the 4 pt line and force the defense to keep 1 guy blanketing her, opening up her teammates for a 2on2 game.

Man, imagine Steph Curry in that league. He might dominate that into his 50s if he chooses to play when his NBA days are done.

This is a very savvy move by Ice Cube. Nobody cared about Big 3 basketball yesterday. Maybe Clark never plays a minute, maybe she does and gets overwhelmed, but, at least for today, people are talking about the league.

I'd never heard of Big 3 basketball. Still not sure what it is.

its a league where people play basketball for money.

some other people pay to watch or bet on it.

Post: #8

(03-28-2024 09:55 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:

(03-28-2024 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

I’d be interested in seeing the terms of the deal. Is it 1 year? 10? Can she also play in the WNBA?

From looking at the Big 3 rules, a deadly long range shooter has outsize value. They have a 4 point shot, but it’s from 30 ft out. Free throws can also be taken for more points at a greater distance. Games are half court and are very quick, increasing her odds of not getting murdered by some of those former NBA players. At the very least, she could camp at the 4 pt line and force the defense to keep 1 guy blanketing her, opening up her teammates for a 2on2 game.

Man, imagine Steph Curry in that league. He might dominate that into his 50s if he chooses to play when his NBA days are done.

This is a very savvy move by Ice Cube. Nobody cared about Big 3 basketball yesterday. Maybe Clark never plays a minute, maybe she does and gets overwhelmed, but, at least for today, people are talking about the league.

I'd never heard of Big 3 basketball. Still not sure what it is.

its a league where people play basketball for money.

some other people pay to watch or bet on it.

Sounds like Jai Lai.

Post: #9

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

I’d be interested in seeing the terms of the deal. Is it 1 year? 10? Can she also play in the WNBA?

From looking at the Big 3 rules, a deadly long range shooter has outsize value. They have a 4 point shot, but it’s from 30 ft out. Free throws can also be taken for more points at a greater distance. Games are half court and are very quick, increasing her odds of not getting murdered by some of those former NBA players. At the very least, she could camp at the 4 pt line and force the defense to keep 1 guy blanketing her, opening up her teammates for a 2on2 game.

Man, imagine Steph Curry in that league. He might dominate that into his 50s if he chooses to play when his NBA days are done.

This is a very savvy move by Ice Cube. Nobody cared about Big 3 basketball yesterday. Maybe Clark never plays a minute, maybe she does and gets overwhelmed, but, at least for today, people are talking about the league.

I assume she would have to play using a men's basketball, which is larger than the one women use. I wonder how that would impact her field goal percentage.

Post: #10

It’s just throwing this money after bad.

Unless there is profit being made, it’s all just PR.

(This post was last modified: 03-28-2024 11:52 AM by Todor.)

Post: #11

(03-28-2024 11:52 AM)Todor Wrote: It’s just throwing this money after bad.

Unless there is profit being made, it’s all just PR.

I wonder if the rise of sports betting has had a positive impact on the league? I bet it has. Each team is loaded with former NBA players, too, so plenty of name recognition. And the very short games should be great for gamblers.

Post: #12

Kenyon Martin says she wouldn’t score a point, and would be a big failure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more_/c...reappshare

Post: #13

(03-28-2024 02:43 PM)Todor Wrote: Kenyon Martin says she wouldn’t score a point, and would be a big failure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more_/c...reappshare

Bad link, though I could see a lot of people saying that. I don't know if we'll ever find out, but I kind of hope that we will.

Again, solid marketing move by Big 3. If she actually plays and doesn't suck, all the better for them, but if she turns down the $5m then that's just a ton of free publicity.

Post: #14

(03-28-2024 10:30 AM)ken d Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

I’d be interested in seeing the terms of the deal. Is it 1 year? 10? Can she also play in the WNBA?

From looking at the Big 3 rules, a deadly long range shooter has outsize value. They have a 4 point shot, but it’s from 30 ft out. Free throws can also be taken for more points at a greater distance. Games are half court and are very quick, increasing her odds of not getting murdered by some of those former NBA players. At the very least, she could camp at the 4 pt line and force the defense to keep 1 guy blanketing her, opening up her teammates for a 2on2 game.

Man, imagine Steph Curry in that league. He might dominate that into his 50s if he chooses to play when his NBA days are done.

This is a very savvy move by Ice Cube. Nobody cared about Big 3 basketball yesterday. Maybe Clark never plays a minute, maybe she does and gets overwhelmed, but, at least for today, people are talking about the league.

I assume she would have to play using a men's basketball, which is larger than the one women use. I wonder how that would impact her field goal percentage.

Playing with a different size basketball is a big change. I'm kind of surprised they never switched girls to the bigger ball in high school.

Post: #15

(03-27-2024 08:24 PM)foulball33 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Talent get paid for content provided. Owners and investors profit (as they can) and eat risk.

(This post was last modified: 04-02-2024 12:01 PM by Gitanole.)

Post: #16

(03-27-2024 08:24 PM)foulball33 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Inconvenient truth.

Post: #17

(04-02-2024 11:58 AM)Gitanole Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:24 PM)foulball33 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Talent get paid for content provided. Owners and investors profit (as they can) and eat risk.

Huh? Some businesses can operate at a loss some of the time, but eventually it just turns into “charity” if you can’t make a profit. I’m not saying that’s where the WNBA is, but long term losses, even in something with an upside in the indefinite future, tend to put a limit on money available for things like salary.

The best WNBA players make and will continue to make their money from NIL.

Post: #18

(04-02-2024 01:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(04-02-2024 11:58 AM)Gitanole Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:24 PM)foulball33 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Talent get paid for content provided. Owners and investors profit (as they can) and eat risk.

Huh? Some businesses can operate at a loss some of the time, but eventually it just turns into “charity” if you can’t make a profit. I’m not saying that’s where the WNBA is, but long term losses, even in something with an upside in the indefinite future, tend to put a limit on money available for things like salary.

The best WNBA players make and will continue to make their money from NIL.

Re 'huh?' : Employees have rights.

https://squareup.com/us/en/the-bottom-li...ds-to-know

Unprofitable ventures do eventually go out of business, as you say. Employees and independent contractors are still owed fair pay.

If I'm the head chef in your (unprofitable) restaurant, I still get fair compensation for the work I do for as long as you're open. Profit is your problem as owner, not mine as the chef. I showed up and cooked. I supplied the content. I get paid.

If you have problems with that, I and the rest of the kitchen staff will see you in court—bankruptcy court if need be. That's why these courts exist.

Business 101.

(This post was last modified: 04-02-2024 02:12 PM by Gitanole.)

Post: #19

(04-02-2024 02:04 PM)Gitanole Wrote:

(04-02-2024 01:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(04-02-2024 11:58 AM)Gitanole Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:24 PM)foulball33 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Talent get paid for content provided. Owners and investors profit (as they can) and eat risk.

Huh? Some businesses can operate at a loss some of the time, but eventually it just turns into “charity” if you can’t make a profit. I’m not saying that’s where the WNBA is, but long term losses, even in something with an upside in the indefinite future, tend to put a limit on money available for things like salary.

The best WNBA players make and will continue to make their money from NIL.

Re 'huh?' Employees have rights, yes.

https://squareup.com/us/en/the-bottom-li...ds-to-know

Unprofitable ventures do eventually go out of business, as you say. Employees and independent contractors are still owed fair pay.

If I'm the head chef in your (unprofitable) restaurant, I still get fair compensation for the work I do for as long as you're open. Profit is your problem as owner, not mine as the chef. I showed up and cooked. I supplied the content. I get paid.

If you have problems with that, I and the rest of the kitchen staff will see you in court—bankruptcy court if need be. That's why these courts exist.

Business 101.

But if my restaurant is losing money, and my highest cost is the head chef, then I can just find a new chef fresh out of college and pay him a lower wage. Maybe it works out, maybe not, but at least I made an effort to lower my costs. A loss making venture such as the WNBA has a much easier way to control salaries by negotiating a very low wage cap and structure with the players union. When/if the league starts making money, that negotiated wage scale has enormous potential to grow, as we’ve seen in the most successful men’s leagues of various sports. Ie, the talent makes more when the league makes money, with a huge potential to make far more if the league truly thrives, but a very limited salary potential if the league doesn’t and no investors are willing to keep dumping more and more money into a loss making operation.

Post: #20

(04-02-2024 02:04 PM)Gitanole Wrote:

(04-02-2024 01:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:

(04-02-2024 11:58 AM)Gitanole Wrote:

(03-27-2024 08:24 PM)foulball33 Wrote:

(03-27-2024 07:51 PM)Realignment Wrote: I'll watch. Honestly. The WNBA needs to capitalize right now and get a TV deal done. The women are underpaid. I doubt Clark takes the money, she's going to make hers in endorsem*nts.

How are they underpaid? The League loses money.

Talent get paid for content provided. Owners and investors profit (as they can) and eat risk.

Huh? Some businesses can operate at a loss some of the time, but eventually it just turns into “charity” if you can’t make a profit. I’m not saying that’s where the WNBA is, but long term losses, even in something with an upside in the indefinite future, tend to put a limit on money available for things like salary.

The best WNBA players make and will continue to make their money from NIL.

Re 'huh?' : Employees have rights.

https://squareup.com/us/en/the-bottom-li...ds-to-know

Unprofitable ventures do eventually go out of business, as you say. Employees and independent contractors are still owed fair pay.

If I'm the head chef in your (unprofitable) restaurant, I still get fair compensation for the work I do for as long as you're open. Profit is your problem as owner, not mine as the chef. I showed up and cooked. I supplied the content. I get paid.

If you have problems with that, I and the rest of the kitchen staff will see you in court—bankruptcy court if need be. That's why these courts exist.

Business 101.

So how do you define "fair" in this case?

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/wnba-...engelbert/

Quote:Currently, the league is projected to bring in between $180 million and $200 million in combined team and league revenue, up from roughly $102 million in 2019.

That's just the REVENUE side of the equation.

(This post was last modified: 04-02-2024 02:21 PM by b2b.)